並前往https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/tk-talk-%E5%89%B5%E6%8A%95%E8%A7%80%E9%BB%9E/ep129%E8%AA%B0%E8%AA%AA%E7%94%A2%E5%93%81%E5%B0%91%E5%B0%B1%E8%B3%BA%E4%B8%8D%E4%BA%86%E9%8C%A2%E7%B6%A0%E8%97%A4%E7%94%9F%E6%A9%9F%E7%94%A8%E6%B8%9B%E6%B3%95%E5%93%B2%E5%AD%B8%E6%89%93%E9%80%A0%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C%83%E4%BC%81%E6%A5%AD-lcCA9MP6jLw/
