並前往https://castbox.fm/episode/Ep.22-%E5%AD%94%E5%AD%90%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83%E6%80%9D%E6%83%B3%E6%98%AF%E5%80%8B%E4%BB%81-id4140708-id429102510